From child prodigy to inspiring the next generation as a coach and mother, two former teammates unpack the reality of being an elite athlete and living up to expectations
The Circle is Presented by Ash Nelson
Podcast length: 35′ 17″
This month on The Circle Ash Nelson talks to Australian child prodigy and former Hockeyroos teammate Casey Sablowski, nee Eastham, about playing in the under 18 competition at the tender age of 13. Just how did she maintain motivation to play at the top level. And what advice does she have as a new parent about focusing on a sport at any early age. All that and more insights into being an elite athlete with the pressure and expectations that go with being on a team.
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[00:00:00] Some of us wait a whole life to become talented and proficient in sport. Others have that gave to them that right from the get go. Serena Williams, Michael Phelps figure skater Tara Lipinski are all familiar names when it comes to the term child prodigy. Another familiar name in the world of hockey as I say. Child prodigy is Australian Hockeyroos Casey Sablowski nee Eastham, playing in the under 18 competition at the tender age of 13. Just how did Casey maintain motivation to play at the top level. And what advice do you have the parents would tell into children to ask all these questions. Casey, welcome to The Circle.
[00:00:38] Hi Ash Thanks for having me.
[00:00:40] All right Casey aged 13 who plays dight and attains age 14 you play it under 20 ones and then when you reach 16 you play your first year in the oil for women’s Australian Hockey League.
[00:00:52] As a kid did you know that you were talented or a little bit more so that perhaps the others in your age group.
[00:01:00] Yeah I guess as a kid growing up I knew I had talent and fortunately I grew up around a local legend and a player that had played for Australia at the time Dianne Goldman and she saw a lot of promise me as a junior and I remember having conversations with mum saying that you know if I wanted to and dedicate enough that for sure I would make it was just a matter of applying everything can still staying on that today trajectory as well.
[00:01:30] Yes I guess I kind of knew I had the talent.
[00:01:31] It was just a matter of whether or not I wanted it enough and fortunately I had super supportive parents that managed to get me where I need to go in the early days.
[00:01:42] I look at kids today and there’s so much pressure to try and play mode. I’ve great competitions with the mentality if they don’t do everything will make everything good junior team that they missing out. Did you feel that pressure to play everything as a junior and do you think that more is better. Or do we need to back off a little bit.
[00:02:00] Yeah I actually did. I think if you look at it from a schools perspective I never played I never actually presented through the school system at all. I
[00:02:09] didn’t also represent through my local academy. I’m lucky just mentioned before I much ejecta it was pretty quaint can pretty rapid so I tended to skip a lot of the age groups and went through and back and you didn’t have to plan your trip. I’m not sure what it means at the moment but yeah that wasn’t our requirement there and thankfully it wasn’t because financially we wouldn’t have been in a position to an enemy to do it and I would have probably been hurt by my my age group sends them I guess debuting and things would have happened a little bit later on.
[00:02:42] So yeah I definitely think that now it’s probably changed a little bit.
[00:02:46] Whilst there’s some good things I think in terms of playing in your age group in terms of developing confidence I’m a huge believer and I really stretching myself and I think that’s what helped me earlier on. I played with the boys in the Junior Boys competition until I was about 15 years old so I think that helped my development a lot too. But also playing in those age groups is about about my age.
[00:03:11] If you get asked the questions by parents my kid has potential. I don’t want to push them too hard. But at the same time I want to encourage and motivate them. Looking back I don’t know if you’ve had the conversation with you or your mum but how did she kind of motivate you. But at the same time not push you too far.
[00:03:29] Yeah I had also fortunate that I had an outstanding mum what she did for me.
[00:03:34] Early on in my years now I’m truly grateful and you know hearts do the same for my children going forward as well. But she was just there she was never overly pushy. I practiced paddling quite a few different sports not just hockey. I think having that balance helped as well and I was I was I quite refreshed early on and yet when I decided to make this long commitment to hockey and dropped the other sports us playing which really at the time was touch football and Little Athletics. She supported me and pretty much did everything that she could to financially to ensure that I got where I needed to go. But yeah I think from a parent’s perspective you just have to support your children and really get to know what it is that they want to do. Some children are quite happy just playing socially and doing all those kinds of things but some kids do want to go that extra mile and I was fortunate that I had moment that my mum was prepared to do whatever it took whether that was you know working multiple jobs and having to sacrifice different things asking her parents for financial her financial help with different situations to to get me to the tournament’s where Canadians are going.
[00:04:45] If you spend some time in Holland playing and have declasse lay and is such a large participation in retention of players and hockey over there what do they do with their kids to keep them engaged in the game comparatively to us here in Australia.
[00:05:00] I think one of the biggest there’s a couple of advantages that they have there they’re the size of their country. Kylie and I was their national tournament to be quite competitive enable it to run all year round. Sorry for the season so about half the year. That’s a huge advantage. I think in the strength of a national competition but there was a big surge and I think after the girls the Dutch women won in 2000 and I believe their participation rates doubled or tripled or something after that time so I think the success in the national sporting team also helped at that stage too.
[00:05:42] But I guess the biggest thing I noticed was just that over the air hockey is a last. It’s you know it’s kind of where the people play socially and whether it’s a bit more serious than that it just becomes part of their lost all day. You know they can say they’re happy to just go out there and travel if they need to. But they really get in and very supportive both Batanes but it just it becomes and forms part of their lifestyle as opposed to.
[00:06:09] I guess he away it becomes and I think at a senior level sometimes it can feel like it’s a bit more of a job. Often when I was over there it never felt like that it just felt like it was. You know I agree it was you were competing in this amazing game of the weekend and I definitely felt that there was more excitement and yet people were a lot more passionate I guess about about a sport than what we are here in Australia.
[00:06:41] There’s often this perception that those who are is Dueñas don’t develop a work ethic because they rely either on their superior physical size or their superior skills. Where does this sit with you. Did you feel like you developed a good work ethic as a junior or was it something that you actually had to develop as a kind of move through the senior levels and could no longer alive harps on those skills or that superior Spayd.
[00:07:05] Yeah I think I genuinely probably had it all along.
[00:07:09] Definitely it was something that I did develop so that as I went about that time probably what helped me at the time was when I come through I was in I think when I was in the national squad there was girls that was simony is above me and that you had to have a good worker and you couldn’t rely on skill and talent align. You had to have more than that and it was demanded on me from some of the senior girls in the group and I think that really really helped as I went along but I think to make it to the top level you definitely need that within year anyway and especially to become good and and have a career. Probably as I mean I was fortunate to have it as long as I did. But you definitely need to have that because there are times where you’re not going to be more divided to get up and go to China those early morning sessions or you know that as a session coming up that you don’t to stay alive you have to have that good work to get the most out of each session and I think that’s something that I did pride myself on you know at times I definitely wasn’t motivated for every session but I managed to get the most out of each session because when I was there it was. This is you know I’m not wasting any time and I’m going to get the most out of what I can.
[00:08:24] You had to move away from home and over to Perth from the East Coast which for analysis this is about a four hour flight. What did you add most difficult moving away from home and into a competitive environment as a youngster.
[00:08:39] Yeah I think we the Straley it’s the oscillation over there because you said it’s for our flights are quite a distance away and in Australia obviously out there flying times the expense of Fly is so right that meant I couldn’t say my family a lot of the time it’s not like I guess if it was anywhere on the East Coast where I just pop down in an hour an hour and a half later I’d be home. You know it was a half day trip because I wanted to get back so it didn’t make it possible to get home for weekends.
[00:09:10] So yeah the isolation was really tough. And then coupled with that is the missing family.
[00:09:16] I was always a big family girl and I came from small town of Albion Park in New South Wales and I think my whole at one time before I left my whole family were living there in terms of extended family grandparents cousins aunts uncles we were all from the same old living in the same town so you just had to pop round the corner and you were at someone’s house whereas over they say didn’t you went in there not knowing anyone I moved in with two girls that were from the program and you know Fiona Johnson I lived with for several years and she really I don’t know I think I can thank her for a lot of that growing up how I’ve grown up over there is probably five or six years that I lived with her. She really took me under her wing and just did some incredible stuff into my field my family is so thankful to her as well as some other family friends that I’ve made along the way which I know who they are. Yeah I think it was important for me to establish a family network with Fiona and also Gayle Smith and her daughters. They really took me under their wing as well as you and your family and the ladies too.
[00:10:28] But that made it I think for me Kurus enjoyable and liveable and made it become a little bit of a harm.
[00:10:37] Several years early on I didn’t feel it was my home and I think that’s where I was really struggling professionally at a time with the Gameau as you are not enjoying it for several years and I think a lot of that was due to the fact that I hadn’t accepted it as home and I probably hadn’t really worked on the networks outside of hockey to make it feel like that too.
[00:10:59] Do you think that we bring young players over too early and would that be beneficial to leave them at home with that little bit longer to mature or to potentially develop those networks before they get over here or you a firm believer that we need to have a centralised program for everybody.
[00:11:14] No I’m not a believer in having a centralised program. You know I think there’s definitely advantages of that. But when you look around the world I don’t think there’s been several programs that have performed well without having a centralised program. For may if I was to do it all over again I would have loved to have stayed back time and been around family and establish myself in a career outside of hockey to because I think that balance helps on the playing field but yet it definitely needs to be measures taken within each of the sites to enable players to do that because obviously at a time when I came over really wasn’t anoche an option to do it because a lot of the girls above me had gone over to become part of the centralised program so a lot of the strength was then taken out. But yeah I think in New South Wales they seem to be doing it pretty well at the moment they’ve got some regional coaching coordinators set up throughout the state.
[00:12:10] Like I said before we Putland their advantage having this smaller nation you know even New South Wales alone is quite a big state. So we needed there is regional support networks and we didn’t have them well established back when I was coming through so I think they need to be well establishing a good coach is good support staff in regional areas which is where a lot of the talent comes from as well. In order to not have that centralised program so I think we get Ymay. But it will still probably be a little while yet before you know our regional centres throughout Australia are really strong and there isn’t probably the need have to come over to Perth to do it and there’s always a debate that goes on about whether or not you should give the younger players the opportunity to represent Australia.
[00:12:58] Maybe a little bit before they’re ready or your belabour that they train for a longer period of time and until they really really earned that opportunity you give them that debut as a coach.
[00:13:09] I think if I’m coaching it they’re good enough they’re playing you know I think we have good support staff around you that can kind of nurse them through and you don’t overwhelm them or bombard them to say but keep them enough to have yet to actually play an experience that is good enough cause for me to be playing alongside and I’m quoting I want to have people that are good enough to compete at that level so I don’t think age should be a barrier to shore.
[00:13:37] But I definitely think we need to watch how we room the younger ones coming through to ensure that they do have that longevity not to push them too hard too soon and just keep them really well balanced early on you debuted for Australia at the end of 2006 and was a very famous numba which did make your own in the end do you remember how you felt when you heard or realize you actually wearing the same number as hockey great now head coach or holen else.
[00:14:03] Another year we were discussing this the other day say you know I’d love to fall for a long American cotton remember and when I got a phone call about the options to choose my number and you know I said these numbers Manimal these numbers available what would you like. It was for was a. So I took that without even thinking and then it wasn’t until maybe a year or so after and I think it was actually to me last hour that set a time that no one else no one had been game to take Alison’s number. And I hadn’t even thought about it. And afterwards I was oh my gosh I’ve made a huge mistake. I’m 59.
[00:14:40] The most prestigious number in the Australian uniform and you know I think as daunting as it was early on feeling lucky had that responsibility and you had you know some big shoes to fill. I
[00:14:54] was really excited about the prospects and I felt like you know my selfie if anyone was deserving of that number. You know obviously had the greatest respect for Al and the girls at that time that she personally did really well the team did great in those years that she was around too. But yeah I felt like I did deserve it at time to start on daunting but then I kind of took it on as a bit of a challenge and wanted to do her proud to have many conversations with Ellis Island during that period of time we took over a number when you went over and actually played in Holland.
[00:15:31] Ah now I know when I took her number I wasn’t on to yeah when I went to Holland she’d make contact a couple times and I actually got invited I’ve been to her house for Christmas. Think it was Christmas night not for Christmas or something like that but we happened to be travelling through Europe at the time so it couldn’t make it. But yeah really nice to have feel like you’ve got those Aussies abroad and now I’m supporting you you need it as well.
[00:15:54] And do you think that she’s sort of inspiring in terms of women going into a coaching position. When you were a player you were very analytical when it sort the same light something that you might have been primed to actually do is that come across your mind.
[00:16:08] Yeah I think in terms of women and I’m in that role I think she’s doing it right. Great job. I’ve always been a fan.
[00:16:15] Blame ran nine regardless of sex. I think it should be the best person for the job and I think Owel from talks that I’ve had with some of the Dutch girls too she’s got a right amount of respect with that group and she is doing some wonderful things there.
[00:16:30] But yeah in terms of myself it was something that I had thought of whether I don’t think I’m ready yet to do anything more serious. But yeah as you said I was very analytical I’ve always kind of be like that. Being able to break my game down break the team’s game down. But I think probably long term I see myself as more of a consulting role rather than taking over a whole program as such but you never know what Princetown down the line something might pop up that yeah I think being a consultant coach we can offer expert advice but purely from an external point of view to me not knowing I guess what’s going on inside the program and just having a different and different perspective on things. That’s
[00:17:18] probably where I see myself feeling in the near future or it will work or draw your coaching technique at this moment in time during your career. You played three in the big games Beijing London and Rio. During those games probably not the ideal result to fifth places and then a six at Rio.
[00:17:35] What were your thoughts in terms of the performance at the end of eight of these Olympics personally.
[00:17:41] But then also as a came it was very mixed for me 2010. I mean as the youngest member of that’s when I was 19 at the time it was everything was news I was really excited about the prospect of playing my first Olympic Games.
[00:17:58] The team I think at the time were possibly positioned well number four. So we were an outside medal chance but the team was so used to success in the years prior to that that I did feel that there was an expectation that we would make the semi-final and Medal Day and unfortunately we drew the last round game which we needed to win against China and that was pretty hard pretty hard to take that time. I remember being really emotional and more so from you know every kind of happens in every but you feel for those that don’t have another opportunity to do it. So you feel like you’ve let them down. You know it is not by lack of effort or anything. You know a bit of luck at this time but you do feel so the other girls because you know it’s their last Olympic Games campaign whereas at the time I had multiple opportunities after that. Yes it was. It was really hard to take that one. But you know as a young one I was pretty optimistic about the next couple coming up. London was interesting too in that kind of that we probably performed or position to where we were at the time.
[00:19:05] I don’t think we were you know within a lot of luck probably we were in the playoff matches and we really got there as well. But I thought that we probably in terms of finishing fifth that was probably where we were actually in the world. Sorry I walked away from that campaign from a team perspective being quite happy that we we probably did so well from a personal perspective.
[00:19:34] I guess opposite to 2008 had a really good Olympic campaign and in 2012 I didn’t play to play badly but yeah probably didn’t play as well as I would have liked and you know there was a comment made to myself and Madonna that if the team was going to go well that we needed to be playing well and you know initially after a loss to New Zealand automatically you felt like that you hadn’t done your job and yeah just left it really being enticed. I think after us is that games personally but instead as a team it was like high and then we got to Casamayor really long winded way of getting to through all the 2016 Rio Games. I had quite a lot of positional changes leading into that and quite a lot of injuries so it was a bit of a tough preparation and may I think I came back from I had knee surgery the year prior. Then I program so I had stool lock on that going Hami things.
[00:20:34] The year before and then fractured my Ahsoka are only a couple of months to fall so I had a really disrupted preparation ends with I think a change from defensive midfielder to strike to defensive midfielder maybe again and then back to the defender only a month or two out of the Games was quite challenging but I honestly think that probably helped me going for it because I’ve always been someone that I feel like it quite stagnant if I’m doing the same thing for quite a while sorry I found the challenge of learning a new position. Quite refreshing and the same I guess with bage and it gives me opportunities to work on my fitness and do other things.
[00:21:19] That I wouldn’t have had the opportunity to do had I’ve been injured and not be able to be in the gym and on the fit and when I wasn’t on the track at that stage I was just doing a lot of box sessions and other fitness day loading works my mates.
[00:21:38] Yeah I think 2016 I was really happy with how our performance as a defender and I guess the downfall that was as a team mafia like we know and I guess underperformed to it to a degree because there was the expectation and I genuinely blades that we would medal at back at those games.
[00:21:59] We have the team loss out of any of the two prior to this was that this was the year that we could do it. And yeah I think unfortunately a bit of bad luck again in terms of professionalism going forward and I think there was anything else from a program perspective that we could have done more we could’ve done things differently I think one could have done more to get a different result.
[00:22:23] Well that’s probably the biggest question. What would you have changed about the preparation and laid up to the Rio Olympics. That was a bit of fall out in terms of the coaching staff after but in lead up to it they probably could have been a few things done differently as a. What would you look at changing.
[00:22:40] Yeah I mean hindsight’s always a great thing as well.
[00:22:44] Look I think four years after when we finished the 2012 Olympics we obviously finished fifth and it was the same coach at the time and he’s Beijing was that we needed to really chase down some of those other nations and close the gap. So we went full time from 2012 basically all the way through to 2016 Olympics and you know I think the lead up to the World Cup in 2014 where we came second to the World Cup I thought that was adio preparation. We’d worked really hard we’d narrowed those gaps and we played in some of the big games in ten semifinals in the semifinals although you know having won some of them that we’d be met.
[00:23:26] I think that was really positive.
[00:23:28] I’ll just feel that we probably needed maybe a little bit of after the World Cup Natal a little bit more of a lengthy one before we ramped up again because I think it was that little bit that was a little bit too full on I think after the after the World we’ll kind of through that four year program and it was by the time 2016 came round and even the year prior it was made to injury maintenance and management to get people through to the Olympic games rather than ICL at your absolute peak and you know physically we were well prepared. But I think there was a lot of injuries that were being carried into those games and with a tournament to a tournament as well it’s really hard to make sure that everyone gets through in peak physical condition by the end of that.
[00:24:20] Since the Olympics a lot’s changed for you. You’re now a mum having a little boy last year called hubby. What’s more Tarnoff as an athlete or life as a mum.
[00:24:32] But we’ve lived our lives with Brian Williams all of the best out of two years now and see constantly will come back up to training and when you how holidays and then oh how tired she is and that I just have to give her one look and she’s got a report that yes being a mom is definitely the hottest thing I’ve ever done so far and the most tiring blackcaps spoken jili on the days where it’s just you just get used to sleep deprivation. Eventually it’s it’s all for so long that there know how how hard a job it is.
[00:25:09] You know Jodie probably on the other hand was very fortunate in that. Harry had quite a good sleeping retain formed early on. Where is how the only other hand he’s doing challenging at the best of times with these sweep.
[00:25:24] So yeah a lot different definitely being a mom means a lot more tiring than anything I’ve had to do on the hot pitch that’s show prior to having hubby.
[00:25:35] You’re going to come back to its national hockey where does that sit with you now.
[00:25:40] Yeah I think I’m getting near to retirement to be honest. You know it’s really up. I always thought and I was told early on when I was coming through to I don’t retire too soon and so you really don’t and you know when you know when it’s time to finish shopping I never really had that moment of realization. And I think it was hard to have that in the way that we finished in 2006 days. So that was still felt like there was business to be Dile unfinished business and personally I guess from my I guess personally how I win at the Olympic Games I could have been content and walked away from that. But I guess where the group was out at a time I still feel like I had more to offer and to help that next generation kind of come through because we did lose quite a few after race.
[00:26:33] But yeah it’s still a hardline semi to really knuckle down I think in any future I can’t see myself coming back to the group but I am playing club hockey this year so just take it one step at a time and see how he goes up hockey and then eventually I actually know that body wise is another thing I’m not sure how my knees will hold up so I’m giving them a Redhook Pracha a triathlon in three weeks time that they’ve signed up for with little or mic’s denied training bet or dive in the deep end. Sorry the rest the day end so yeah. See ya see how that one goes and then how motivated I am to do the fighting but I think from my perspective I really miss the girls and I miss the competitive games. The training on the other hand you know it’s still for me. I don’t feel ready to get back to that level of training and I think that will be the determining factor for retirement. Is that a lock out as much as I’d love to be out there and I feel like I would still contribute. I’m probably at a stage where I don’t feel like I can put that much into training base days and you know it’s all one thing all or nothing.
[00:27:50] Amanda Smith The little one to now. Priorities have shifted. So yeah I think as I said I’m getting nearer to retirement. It’s just really making that decision final. And yeah yeah seeing how we go about Yeah I would expect within the next month or so it will be a decision made so I will be looking out for him.
[00:28:13] We’ll wait with bated breath. You mentioned Gerti Kenny before your old team mate.
[00:28:17] She also had a baby and made her return game against Spain just the other way. Why haven’t we seen more mums come back and play. I think quite Monroy was the only other Australian player Saad journey Kenny just recently to come back into the Australian Taim.
[00:28:33] Yeah yeah.
[00:28:35] It’s really hard. And obviously from we learnt and we had numerous chats with the Australian coaching staff and the management at a time and you know even getting there is communication networks established was quite challenging to begin with. We knew that the window in our heads was to try and get back for complete games and we knew the window was going to be very tight but it was you know I guess it depends how people’s bodies pull up after the pregnancy.
[00:29:02] I think Jodi had a natural birth line up with this Azarian too so it was a little bit of time difference between you know all different things required for the prom the boys of us if we were to start training so it was physically really hot but also just managing your time and being able to do it you know Jody had such admiration for everything that she’s done and now MCE being picked back into that team because I know what she has had to sacrifice and you know she’s good on her hands. You know she’s managed to do it and she’s got a super supportive network back in Brisbane with the extended family who have enabled her to keep training and continuing to do that. But yeah it becomes a lot more difficult it’s just a constant juggling juggling actually nine times. Both of us are still breastfeeding at two time so enabling making sure that there is no breast milk in the fridge or phrase up for her to go off to training and do all kinds of things it does.
[00:30:05] That became challenging but yeah I think it’s just probably the support isn’t there at the moment. You don’t get there because I think it will become a lot bigger and fame our sport. There seems to be international sorry throughout all international hockey as well as Coplan New Zealanders that have done it. Argentinians that have done it as well. So it will pick up but there was no real direct pathway as to you know this is what when you have the baby this is your next period for if you want to come back into the team this is what it looks like. You know you know you out it took a while for us to establish what that was going to look like. And for me that’s where I made an overall picture as did this is you know this is what’s involved I you know you out. So it took quite a few months for us to get a bit of an idea as to what it was going to look back and I think in my mind I was always I’m sure Geraldine’s mind she was pretty adamant that she was going to come back but I think look the more they do it and you know Hockey Australia probably now has learnt there needs to be some policies and procedures in place to support women returning to and it’s not now about making. Special consideration as such it’s just you know giving these people an opportunity as well. Now I guess you treat it very differently to the long term injured athlete. You know it shouldn’t be too dissimilar to how I would come back into the program.
[00:31:33] That guarantee you know beforehand. But for us it was always going to be hard to see how we got it and then once we showed that initial I’m interested they needed it to be something I think firm and twice for that. And yes sports I think now coming onto that and realising that probably experienced the top level is valuable. So hanging onto players and seeing them come back to the sport whether it’s whether they just have a bright whether they have children and return that it is valuable to try and retain some of these flyers.
[00:32:03] All right Casey before you go we’ve got some quick questions for you – they’re very serious. Favorite lolly if you had a choice?
[00:32:15] You know the Starburst packets have they’ve got the like strawberries and cream looking ones – those ones.
[00:32:28] I do like strawberries and cream too but particularly those ones.
[00:32:31] You’re very choosy about your lollies I get the sense.
[00:32:35] Hardest player to train against
[00:32:41] To be honest it would’ve been Fi Johnson who I spoke about earlier.
[00:32:46] I remember when I came through training with her she was just so tough, she was so physical and she had limbs everywhere that managed cover so much space so it was definitely always a challenge coming up against her.
[00:32:58] If he could play for another team for a match what team would it be internationally?
[00:33:07] Probably Argentina. Just because I liked their creative free license they seem to play with so I think it would be actually quite fun to be a part of their group.
[00:33:18] Just in preparation for you being a coach what’s going to be your favorite saying as a coach
[00:33:28] Just go out and have a go something very similar. Nothing too serious I don’t think.
[00:33:36] Right. If Harvey wasn’t going to be called Harvey, what was the backup plan
[00:33:41] Oh goodness, it was nearly Hudson, he was Hudson for like 30 seconds for a conversation with my mom.
[00:33:51] So that was the backup but we probably would have sat on it for a little bit longer and yeah there was a handful of names that I liked that Scott, and vice versa. So we probably would have been ? for quite a while.
[00:34:04] Let’s be honest you don’t want to give away all your good names on the podcast anyway. Casey, all the best with your new life as a mom and also hopefully come back should that be the plan that you or the path that you wish to choose. Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with me on The Circle.
[00:34:20] Thanks for having me Ash.
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